Sunday, July 06, 2008



Blogger Demeur said...

McCain is heroic only in the fact that he endured torture while in Vietnam. Torture that he now supports as a viable interigation option.
As for his military history it is less than stellar. He graduated from the Naval Academy at the very bottom of his class. Was one of the few to make the demerit club for bad behavior and lastly crashed two jets before even setting foot in Vietnam. Realizing that he would not advance in the military he moved to politics. After being called a "maverick" over the last several years he has chosen to climb in bed with the neocons. The very faction of a political party in this country that everyone hates. Try as he might to shift his positions or image to appear more centered politically, people even in his own party aren't buying it.
After his own admission about a lack of knowledge about economics and his definite lack of knowledge of Iraq (didn't know a Suuni from a Shite) it's obvious that McCain is not the man for the job.

2:09 PM  
Blogger Snave said...

Careful there, Demeur! By criticizing McCain, the Republicans have decreed that it constitutes an automatic attack on his military career! 8-)

Disgusting, isn't it...

Good points you bring up!

"After being called a "maverick" over the last several years he has chosen to climb in bed with the neocons. The very faction of a political party in this country that everyone hates. Try as he might to shift his positions or image to appear more centered politically, people even in his own party aren't buying it."

I didn't get into that very much in my post, but had I done so, I couldn't have said it better than you did.

It's true, much of what McCain says and does is about political expedience.

2:49 PM  
Blogger American Hill BIlly said...

I agree with demeur,

100%! McCain beyond all that was a potential cause behind the USS liberty fire. He thought it was funny to "wet start" his engines. This usually creates a mild harmless explosion, but very loud. The guy in line behind him dropped a bomb due to McCain. This is the first explosion to occur.

Now McCains Daddy being the commanding Admiral for all of Vietnam had him transferred immediately. I think it could have something to due with a couple of thousand sailors wanting to throw him over board.

As far as his POW record. There are entire groups of vietnam vets that sole purpose is to out McCain as a traitor. After he was captured, and placed in the Hanoi Hilton he enjoyed better treatment than the other POW's. Also, North Vietnam Bombing stopped because all of a sudden, as soon as McCain was given better treatment, the NVA new flight patterns, aircraft vulerability, and more. Casualties went up 60% after his capture, and this is the reason whether it was McCain, or not that the bombing stopped!

Peace and Freedom

7:11 PM  
Blogger pastormike said...

McCain needs Huckabee if he is going to win. Huckabee would help McCain in the south which he is going to lose if he takes any other VP. Barr is going to destroy any chances. Huckabee is loved in the south. about Clarks commments. I do not agree with author about Clarks comments,I thought Clark was dead on. Obama should not of thrown him under the bus, but instead should embrace him. I also think Wesley Clark has been treated very unfairly by the press for his comments. I like Clark, Thank you General Clark for speaking the truth. Here is why Obama needs Clark

As far as McCain and his Veep goes. I like Huckabee for the McCain Veep. He is going to need help in the south.

The Libertarians should run Barr with Paul instead of Barr with Root.

I love the vp discussion blogs, I get all my veep info and rumors at

9:56 PM  
Blogger Demeur said...

Good info hill billy. As usual we only got part of the story via the History channel on the aircraft carrier explosion. You have a link to that? I'd like to add it to my list.

12:10 PM  
Blogger Tom Harper said...

Glad you mentioned Max Cleland and Saxby Chambliss. That sick chapter in our history needs as much publicity as it can get, especially with Chambliss being up for re-election this year (I think).

Chambliss was a chickenhawk (he was of draft age during the Vietnam war) who smeared Max Cleland, a triple amputee war hero. I think his TV ads showed a picture of Max Cleland transmogrifying into Osame bin Laden. And it worked, thanks to millions of single-digit-IQ voters.

11:53 AM  
Blogger Mercurie said...

Personally, I think the word hero is overused a bit much today. Now I do admire police officers and firefighters, but most all of them would say they are just doing their job (I do come from a law enforcement family). And I think they are right about that. I think that the word "hero" should be reserved only for those most remarkable individuals.

6:04 PM  
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8:07 AM  
Blogger 1138 said...

American Hill BIlly might want to get a few more details and facts straight before tooting off more.
McCain never served on the Liberty, the Liberty never had a plane on it.
The fire had nothing to do with him the cause was clear and on film.

There's no need for slander, McCain has enough real in his list of military drawbacks to more than tamp down the overblown "hero" status.

I can't imagine a patriotic American electing a man from a privileged background, that has denounced his nation as criminal and confessed to personally committing war crimes on behalf of his country. John McCain, who considers his Keating shame worse than his POW betrayal.

I understand the circumstances, I understand the confession was probably given as a result partly of torture - but I know men who didn't break and they don't qualify to be President.
Some who didn't died, another I knew stayed on the missing list until the POWs were returned his family thinjing he was dead, others were never seen again.
McCain's "Hero" status for his POW time gas must carry an asterisk and a big fat qualifier.
Other men who came home early after issuing false confessions as he had, had been charged as criminal under the US code of military criminal justice.
His staying in prison is not entirely altruistic or "heroic".

That portion of his service does not qualify him to be President, and in the hearts, minds and memories of some it disqualifies him.

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